BOOKS-ON-LAW/Book Reviews - March 2001; v.4, no.3

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Special: Women & the Law and Women's History

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    Women In FLUX

    Reviews:

  • Anderson, Bonnie S. Joyous Greetings: The First International Women's Movement, 1830-1860. Review by Susan Berke Fogel & Khanum Shaikh
  • Mikulski, Barabara and Kay Bailey Hutchison, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara Boxer, Patty Murray, Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, Mary Landrieu, & Blanche L. Lincoln, with Catherine Whitney.Friedan. Nine and Counting: The Women of the Senate. Review by Kathy Zonana.
  • Schneider, Elizabeth M. Battered Women and Feminist Lawmaking. Review by Julie Goldscheid & Mary McGowan Davis.
  • Wing, Adrien Katherine, editor. Global Critical Race Feminism: An International Reader. Review by Richard T. Ford.
  • Talkback
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Women in FLUX

Interview with Peggy Orenstein
conducted by Contributing Editor Mary-Christine Sungaila
January 15, 2001

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[Listen to this interview in Real Audio.]

Introduction

Mary-Christine Sungaila: It is January 15, 2001, Martin Luther King Day, and this is M.C. Sungaila, Contributing Editor for Books-on-Law. I am in Orange County, California, where I am speaking by telephone with Peggy Orenstein, who is in Northern California.

Ms. Orenstein, welcome and thank you for agreeing to participate in this interview for Books-on-Law.

Peggy Orenstein: Well, thank you for having me.

Sungaila: Thank you in particular for agreeing to have this interview recorded and stored on our website. It is really a pleasure to speak with you, and to continue the dialogue that you began in your latest book, entitled Flux: Women on Sex, Work, Love, Kids, and Life in a Half-Changed World, which really explores modern women's struggle to combine the personal and the professional aspects of their lives in a world where feminism has given women so many new options and choices.

The Balkanization of Women

Sungaila: The impetus for this book came from your own personal struggle with whether and when to have a child. But the book also reflects your interviews with hundreds of different women at different stages of their lives and careers about the choices they have made and the pressures they have felt to marry, progress professionally, have children, and to be a "good wife and mother," all at the same time. How would you summarize your basic findings in the book, in two minutes or fewer?

Orenstein: [Laughs] If I could do that, I wouldn't have had to write a whole book. Well, what I really wanted to look at in the book was sort of the arc of women's lives and what psychologists call young adulthood, which is from their mid-twenties to their early forties. And I wanted to look at a number of different questions, including what women expected from their professional lives, what they wanted from their personal lives, if there were still the same kinds of pressures that there used to be about marriage and children and how they've changed, what the expectations of women who didn't marry and didn't have children or some combination thereof had been and how they saw themselves. I really wanted to open a kind of conversation and I wanted the book to read as a conversation that women could eavesdrop into, because what I was finding was that women were sort of balkanized by experience. The one that is most typical and gets the most play, although it's not the only one, is sort of the working mothers vs. mothers who are staying home with kids.

Sungaila: Yes, there sort of are two parallel, alternate universes there.

Orenstein: Yes, and I found . . . I did these interviews in small groups initially and then eventually went in deep with individual women, and the small group interviews form a kind of backbone of the book and the single interviews become sort of individual portraits of women who are coping with a particular set of issues at a particular phase of their lives.

I guess I should say that I divided the book into three sections. The first was the "Promise Years," which looks at women (the women that I talked to were college graduates) as they are sort of entering the workforce and what their expectations are about their lives and the ways that they had a kind of subtly dual set of expectations and worried that this new set of choices they had were going to turn into rough tradeoffs. And the second section was the "Crunch," when the kind of fine print of women's choices became more apparent and women felt much more torn and were really grappling with the ways that old and new expectations collide. And the third section I called "Reconsiderations," and that was women as they were entering mid-life and asking a new set of questions, that is, "What do I want for myself now?", which for a lot of women was the first time that they had asked that in a long time, and it was inspiring a whole new set of issues and questions, and it was a very exciting time of life.

So that was what I was looking at. And, actually, I went off on a long tangent, and I can't remember what I started to say anymore.

Sungaila: Oh, that's OK, that's why this is a dialogue, right?

Orenstein: Oh, that's what I was going to say. What I was finding was that women were so balkanized. Young women were not talking honestly with older women. Women of color and white women were not speaking honestly to one another; mothers and non-mothers, working mothers and stay-at-home mothers, all the kinds of ways that women kind of stuck with women who are like themselves, and I wanted to create a kind of safe place where women could read about other women in a book, and maybe sometimes see themselves reflected or validated, and sometimes maybe feel a little bit challenged, and maybe think about ways that they'd like to make some alterations in their lives or push a little bit or . . . just change.

Sungaila: Yes, it's definitely . . . well, at least it's been my experience, that there isn't that dialogue between women who have made different choices. I don't know whether that's because there's so much uncertainty about whether there is a "right" choice to make . . . .

Orenstein: I think that's exactly it, actually. In a time of flux, a time of uncertainty, women can get very defensive in their choices, and other people's choices can seem like a reproach, and when that's true, it's pretty hard. You have to accept to a certain extent that, in a time of half-change, where we have all these new opportunities but things have not all shaken out, it isn't easy, it's not clear, [that as a result] there are going to be missteps. There are going to be things where you make one set of decisions, there's nothing wrong with questioning it or seeing things that might have gone a different direction, or learning from people who went a different way and not necessarily feeling that that makes you lesser somehow, [but rather] that [it] can enhance who you are, too.

Sungaila: Right, [it's important not to feel] that that's some kind of judgment about the choice that you have made.

Orenstein: Personally, it was an amazing journey to report a book like this. And there were times when I certainly felt challenged and a little defensive when I was reporting. But also, in the end, I think doing it made me more compassionate, certainly with others, I don't know about always with myself (still working on that). But it did help; it helped me in how my life has kind of rolled out since writing the book to recognize that there's no one way [to go]. I mean, people sometimes say to me, you know, "When I read this, will I know the right way to do things, the perfect choices to make?" And I say, well, then you're going to be disappointed, because I think the ultimate conclusion has to be, and should be, that there is no perfect path and to see the value and the challenge in whatever route you both choose and kind of, you know there's that combination of choice and chance that happens.

Methodology

Sungaila: Right. Now, to get to the sort of central truths and start this dialogue going about women's struggle for "balance," for lack of a better word.

Orenstein: I don't like that word ['"balance"], but O.K.

Sungaila: I know you don't, but I couldn't come up with another one. Have you come up with another word?

Orenstein: Well, it's not the word that I have a problem with.

Sungaila: It's all the connotations?

Orenstein: It's the way that it's applied. It's that as long as "balance" and "trade-off" and all those words are only applied to women . . .

Sungaila: Right, compromise by women, only . . .

Orenstein: Then they're a kind of code word for compromise and contradiction, and that until we move towards applying those words to [men as well] . . . I mean we all have to strive for a greater balance. I think men come to that too, a lot of times, but they sort of come to it later in life. I think if I were interviewing men in their fifties, for instance, I think that I would hear a lot more about that. And younger men, now, talk more about that, but I don't think they act on it as much as I hope they will as time goes on and progress continues. And we hope that it will.

Sungaila: Right, we hope that it continues in that direction. Now, to get women to open up, women that you did not know, how did you manage to do that? Because that's central to get to these truths and these discussions. You have to get them to open up, to talk about those things. So was that difficult?

Orenstein: No.

Sungaila: It was easy?

Orenstein: Yes, you know, it's not that hard. People always ask me that. They asked me that about my previous book too, which was called Schoolgirls [Doubleday, 1994], and was about teenaged girls, and they asked me "How'd you get those girls to talk?" I don't know, I just asked them questions and listened to them, I think, is the [answer].

I have a somewhat different . . . I feel, it's almost a physical feeling, when I'm a journalist and I feel like I'm asking the questions that need to be asked, and I don't think I would ask, [in fact] I don't ask the same level of questions a lot of times [in my personal life]. If I just met you, and we were just becoming friends, I probably wouldn't ask you deeply personal questions about your sex life, you know? But if I were meeting you and I were interviewing you, I'd be asking you those questions within a half an hour. And the women that I was talking to were aware that they were being interviewed for a larger purpose, and so they were very engaged in the process and in trying to be as open and honest as possible.

So it's an unusual [situation]. A lot of the women I interviewed described it as being like therapy, and I'm glad because I think that it had the impact of making them think more about their lives, so they got something out of it. I wasn't just taking their stories away from them, but they were gaining something from the process, too. I think that's really it; I mean, I don't think there's any trick to it. I just think that people in an interview situation, with an empathic listener, are willing [to open up]. I mean, people want to tell their stories.

Sungaila: From my perspective, reading the book, and getting the tone of the book from your interviews, I think that there were really two things that (maybe unconsciously) you do that really make people willing to open up. And the first thing was the progress of the book, from the group sessions into the individual in-depth sessions. When women are in a group talking, they like to have the "uh huh, yes, that's the way I feel too, I'm not the only one" kind of response back and forth, which allows them to open up more, and is more important to women I think than to men. And then, also just your general demeanor and approach, as you said, as a reporter, as a journalist, you have a very non-judgmental, almost sort of documentarian, type of approach to people so that even if they said something that might seem scandalous to someone else, there is no reproach, there's no judgment about that particular comment, you just draw [them] out more.

Orenstein: Well, thank you.

Sungaila: Those two combinations were things that I saw [in the book].

Orenstein: I think it's interesting. Two downsides of doing the group interviews. One is that women, they can actually silence [each other]. Because women like to seek a kind of equivalency in relationships, they don't like to disagree. Although they could get pretty heated, I should say. You also run the danger that people don't want to hurt anybody's feelings.

So, I experimented a lot with the groups as to whether I should have women in different circumstances or similar circumstances, women who were different ages or similar ages, all those sorts of variants, women of different races or the same race. I did it all different ways to see what kind of things I would get out of it. There was something I was going to say about the group interviews that was interesting that way. Oh, the other thing was that if I had friends, and this comes down to the nonjudgmental thing. In some ways you think friends are nonjudgmental, but if somebody would express . . . if a women would start to say something that was difficult in her life, difficult for her, or a choice she had made that she kind of wasn't comfortable with, or anything uncomfortable, about her marriage, whatever, if a friend was there, the friend would hop in and reassure. And it had the effect of cutting off what the woman was going to say. And I became conscious of that.

So I think when you're interviewing somebody, part of that nonjudgmental thing is that I'm not only not judging them, I'm not trying to reassure them about anything. If they're going to sit there and spin out something about, "Gee, I'm not really sure this was the right choice in my marriage, in my work, in my childbearing," I'm not going to jump in and say, "You know what, though, lots of people do that, and it's O.K., and you had to, and look at the circumstances," which is what we do with friends. So, it was kind of interesting to be aware of what allows people to speak. I'm really glad you asked me about that.

Sungaila: So you thought about those things in the group interviews too.

Orenstein: Uh-huh.

Sex and the Single Girl

Sungaila: I noted that you interviewed a few women who had sort of embraced a single lifestyle without children, not because it was a prerequisite for professional success, which is so much unfortunately what some women believe and has been really necessarily the case in the past, but because they wanted to. How did your interviews with these women impact your views of the choices women have made?

Orenstein: A lot of the women who were single and/or childless (there's one woman, for instance, who had a child by donor insemination and was in her forties and single), I wouldn't say so much that they actively chose it, but their life sort of worked out that way for a variety of circumstances. But they were pleasantly, to a woman I would say, they were surprised at how full and rich their lives were. And that was one of the things. It's a simple thing to say; it's very hard for women to believe that's true. And when I say that particular line on a radio show or in a group of women, I can see the look of disbelief. And, I think, it was really important for me to have midlife women who were single and childless in the book, because if their lives are not empty and full of cats, you know, whatever the stereotype is . . . 

Sungaila: Yes, cats, that's definitely part of [the stereotype].

Orenstein: Well, you can say we have Sex and the City, we have Ally McBeal, but you know, those women are, well, Ally McBeal is about twenty-five, and Sarah Jessica Parker in Sex and the City is supposed to be thirty-four, which is really pushing it, you know. [Laughs]

Sungaila: But that's the glamorized single life.

Orenstein: Well, as one of my friends who is thirty-nine and single says, [the show Sex and the City is] true to life except [for] the part about the sex.

Sungaila: So, just the City part is true?

Orenstein: Nobody I know who's single and in her late thirties is having sex like that. [Laughs] But, what I would see with younger women, women in their twenties, was that I'd say, "Well, is it O.K. to be forty and childless?," and they would say, "Sure, you can do whatever you want to these days." But, I would say, "Is it O.K. for you? What if you, you, were forty and childless?," and a look of horror would cross their faces; one actually knocked on wood and said, "God forbid." If we still think that that's such a horrible outcome I don't think that the pressures and potential over-compromises that women are willing to make for the bearing of children are alleviated. They're just sort of delayed so that, instead of panicking at twenty the way maybe our mothers or grandmothers did, we panic at thirty or thirty-two. So, it was important to me to really explore what that [single] life was like. And again, in saying it, I feel this pressure. I'm a happily married woman, and I really value what marriage has given me, but I'm also really aware of the benefits of single life, and I think that even that's important when you're married, too.

Choosing to Remain Single and Childless

Sungaila: I've always personally believed that one could make the choice to remain single or to not have children, and it didn't necessarily mean that you had to have cats, or you don't like children, or there's just something fundamentally wrong with you, or your childhood [was] rough.

Orenstein: Well, those are still the assumptions, despite all the changes in women's lives – that there's something abnormal with you if you don't marry or you don't have children. The other important thing was that women who are childless and single at midlife, or married and childless, had found really wonderful ways to connect and to influence the next generation. By no means did they dislike children, and it even annoys me that one has to say that still; I mean, that proves something, [that] you have to say that. One woman had a very deep connection with her niece. Another woman in the book, Roseanne, who was actually the most traditionally feminine woman I interviewed – I would say, totally earth mother, cooking, baking – everywhere she went, she created family out of whoever was around her. After I finished writing the book, I got back in touch with her, and her niece had moved in with her because her sister and her niece weren't getting along. And she really extended and worked hard to create community and family. And, I think, that's one thing that we can learn, for instance, from the gay community: alternative ways to create community and family.

Sungaila: I was just thinking that. There's not just one way to have family and to have connections.

Orenstein: I do think that the gay community, by necessity, has been a model [for] that. Of other ways to create community, of other ways to be a family, of other ways to create connection that are very creative and very sustaining. In order for marriage and childbearing to be a truly free choice, [these] have to exist.

"Formerly Known As": The Import of Book Title Changes

Sungaila: Now, I have a question because I saw that an earlier proposed title for your book was, I think, Pressure Points: Decisive Choices in a Woman's Life . . .

Orenstein: Gosh, where did you . . . where was that, actually?

Sungaila: I'm a thorough researcher. It was actually in a biography of you that was put up [on the Internet] when you went to speak somewhere.

Orenstein: Oh, interesting.

Sungaila: So, I was wondering why the title change? And what is its significance?

Orenstein: My publisher hated it. They felt "Pressure Points" was too negative, and it sounded a little outdated. And I felt the book sort of went beyond . . . Well, I don't know, I think a lot of this is about friction and contradiction in messages, vestigial messages about who women are supposed to be and new messages about who women are supposed to be. But, book titles . . . . Try to take book titles with a grain of salt. They're a big issue. They're always a major battle between publisher and writer, and in the end . . .

Sungaila: Much ado about nothing?

Orenstein: Well, no, they're important. But, one is not necessarily comfortable with what one ends up with. One does not necessarily think it is the catchiest title in the world all the time. But titles are a marketing tool. I like the concept of this title.

Sungaila: It's more fluid [than Pressure Points].

Orenstein: The downside of this title is that it's easily misheard. And also, if they don't use the subtitle, you have no idea what it's about, so that seems a little problematic.

Sungaila: Right, that's true. You need both parts [of the title] in order to understand it.

Orenstein: Right, and if the subtitle's rather long, then people writing articles don't like to use it, and then people look at it and go, "What in the world is that?"

Sungaila: [They ask:] "What is this about?"

Orenstein: So, it's a problematic title, in that way. In a marketing way, it's a problematic title; in a conceptual way I like it.

Women's Progress in the Law and Other Professions

Sungaila: Since this publication is called Books-on-Law, I wanted to focus just a moment on your findings and the experiences of women in the legal profession in particular.

Orenstein: Because there are a lot of them in the book, as it turns out.

Sungaila: Yes, [all of whom] made a number of different choices, which is kind of interesting – because the perception frequently is that there is very little you can do [in your personal life] and [still] progress professionally in the law. In the book, you note that while more than half of law students are women, their numbers decrease as they move up in the ranks; only about 13% of law firm partners, I believe, are women at this time. This, you observe, is true whether or not women had children, because [women] bonk up against multiple glass ceilings and slam into "brick walls of bias," I think is the phrase you used, which impedes their progress. What are some of these multiple glass ceilings, and do women impose some of these ceilings on themselves? Cynthia Epstein concluded as much in her study of New York law firms, called Glass Ceilings, Open Doors.

Orenstein: Well, I think to blame women too much for bias is kind of a trap. You have to be awfully careful about that. Women talked about a number of things. That even firms that were supposedly family-friendly assumed that to be successful you either had no family obligations whatsoever or you had spouses who freed you to devote most of your time to work. Men who are highly successful tend to have stay-at-home wives; and women who are highly successful tend to have husbands who do something similar to what they do. So, there's no one to do the backstage work in that family; to take stuff to the dry cleaners; to do things that somebody with a stay-at-home spouse might have. So, that's a difficult thing. One woman that I talked to said, "It's really hard. Are you supposed to take the mommy-track work route until you can go back full time? And when can two people work sixty hours a week, when a kid's two, when a kid's six, when a kid's ten. When do you do that?"

I'm starting to focus on motherhood, but I don't think that's the only issue. I don't think it's just how mothers are treated. But there is a way (and this wasn't just in law firms, this was in any kind of corporation) that as soon as a woman had a baby, it was like she was guilty of motherhood until proven innocent, until she could prove to them that she was really going to continue her commitment to whatever her professional life was. Whereas men didn't really face that kind of scrutiny early on in parenting.

But it's more than that. I mean, there's what is called micro-inequities all the way along for women in professional life – whether you're talking about in law, or in emerging technology fields in the new economy, or in more traditional corporate life, business gets done in informal ways, and women are often excluded from that. There's a wonderful word that one academic used with me, an "excess of anger expression," that wasn't comfortable for them.

I'm sorry, I just got distracted. I'm in a cabin where my only source of heat is a wood stove, and I just looked up and saw that my fire has gone out, which means it's going to freeze in here.

Anyway, there are informal ties over drinks, over golf, over informal chatting, that can often exclude women – unless it's women doing it, which is happening more. There are a lot of women who make attempts to form old-girl networks to work in that direction. There's sexual harassment, which is still a big factor in a lot of women's professional lives. Women are often inadequately mentored, and mentoring is especially, actually more important for women than for men, particularly at a young age; and they don't get it in the same way. And so, I think generally, there can be a kind of corrosiveness in the more traditional workplaces. And, as I said, this 1998 study by Nancer Ballard (who's a lawyer, I think, in Boston) [found] that even in family-friendly firms where one would think these things are less true, they still continue to be true – that the costs of success [are] higher for women than [for] men. And, I would say that that's true, whether or not women have children. I think that, sometimes, we need to take motherhood out of the equation in order to see what the issues are, because motherhood can kind of obscure those other issues.

Again, this is out of the domain of law, which I kind of have to do, because this is not a book about lawyers. But a couple of years ago, women at MIT, professors at MIT, were looking at why women left and why women weren't getting tenure at the same rate, things like that, and the initial response is always to say, "Well, women make these choices about children, and that's why it happens." But they did things like measure . . . Let me see, it was so good.

Sungaila: Yes, there are a lot of other factors at work, as you mentioned, and I think that a lot of the focus is on motherhood and children. But there are a lot of other things along the way that contribute to the challenges [that women face].

Orenstein: Yes. [In this study,] they were doing things like measuring people's office spaces. Really tiny, little things that you would never really think about very much. But, every step of the way, they found that men were advantaged over women; and that the combination of these little things were the things that were ultimately corrosive; and they were much more hidden compared to something like motherhood.

Sungaila: They're a lot more subtle, the kind of things that over time accrue [and add up to greater inequities]. Perception is very important [in business]. So things like the size of the office have many subtle connotations. Would you like to take a minute and work with your fire, [before we continue]?

Orenstein: I actually did it while I was talking to you. I was throwing a log on while I was talking to you. Working on my computer and throwing logs on the fire; kind of a year 2000 and year 1900 thing together.

Women & Traditional Law Firm Culture

Sungaila: Yes, I was wondering though, were there any particular aspects of the legal profession and the way law firms are structured which really heightened the challenges that women face. For example, I know that law firms place a very high value on the number of billable hours. There are certain requirements; just, the certain number of hours you need to be billing clients . . .

Orenstein: The law firm vision of success really hasn't changed very much, and its [still] pretty much billable hours, billable hours, billable hours, right?

Sungaila: Right.

Orenstein: And women tend not to place . . . I mean, I don't like to make those kind of broad generalizations, but that's one of the things that [Nancer] Ballard found, I believe, is that women tended to have a different vision of what success was, and it conflicted [with the prevailing view]. Another layer of that was one of the women that I spent a lot of time with was African American, and she had gone to Duke and she had gone to Harvard, she had been very elite, and she went into a law firm where I think maybe there was one other black lawyer there, a man. And she said that there were the overt things, and they were shocking, and I think we tend to resist thinking that they're even true anymore – you know, that there was this partner that would talk to her in so-called "Black English," despite the fact that this woman spoke like she just walked out of Harvard. And [this partner] would wax nostalgic for Negro spirituals that his grandfather's servants used to sing, in front of her. She kept a drawer where she would just write all this stuff down and throw it in, partly because she's a lawyer and she knew documenting it was smart, but partly she said just to keep herself sane. There's the initial impulse when something like that happens, whether it's sexual harassment or a racist remark or whatever, is to think, "No, they didn't say that; that didn't happen," [in other words] to immediately deny it. And [documenting it] helped her to [handle] that.

What she said was she felt she couldn't be what she was supposed to be, which was a white male. To fit into the mold of the traditional law firm person. And that made her feel that something was wrong with her, even though she knew that that wasn't the case. She felt that she should try to be like that. So she would start to do things like not go to unnecessary meetings, not go to social activities, not do those kind of informal things. She continued to be promoted, and she said she could play the game, but there was a feeling that it was unnatural. And I heard women say that a lot. And again, I start to veer more towards generalizing in terms of types of profession, because I was really always trying to draw broader points, but in professions that had been either formerly male or male-dominated, women would talk about feeling that they kind of put on a mask to go to work, and you can start to question that.

What psychologists say is the most important aspect of job satisfaction is "fit;" you know, that the job fits you well. But, that's kind of a tricky thing. To have equal opportunity in the workplace, how much do women, or women and men of color, have to adapt to the traditional environment of law firms, and how much do law firms need to expand to accommodate them? A lot of firms – I don't want to make it sound like this is 1975 – there have been a lot of changes. But yet, it's still true that here we are, and despite the fact that you've got 50% or higher enrollment [of women] in law schools, you've got [only] 13% of [law firm] partners [who are women], and that's not changing. The fact that it's higher in some firms; there are firms in San Francisco [for example] that have a much higher [percentage of women lawyers], although still not as high as you'd expect (I think some of them are around 20% or so [in terms of female partners]). What is different about the environment [at those firms]? What I would like to know is what are the incremental differences in those firms? I don't think the women are different; I don't think that there's a different caliber of women or there's something about the women in those firms that makes them somehow more resilient or anything. Somehow the firms have created a somewhat different environment that's allowing women to rise in greater numbers.

Sungaila: There's an interesting American Bar Association . . .

Orenstein: That's what I was thinking of. I have a friend who is in one of the firms – McCutcheon, Doyle, one of the highest firms [in terms of the percentage of women lawyers]. He's a guy. And he was kind of surprised. Because, if 20% of the partners are female, that's still not very high. So he said, "It still seems to me like women are leaving all the time here. I'm shocked to find that we're one of the success stories, because it seems like a lot of women leave." Twenty percent is still a relatively low number, but it's a lot better than many other places.

Sungaila: Yes, comparatively, it's better.

Orenstein: It's not good enough. The study that seems to me should be done now is to take the law firms that have the highest percentage of women partners and see what is different about them than the ones that have a lower percentage of women partners. I assume there's also a tipping point; I know that this is true, that when there's a certain number of women in positions of power, that the culture of an organization begins to change in terms of the way it looks at things like childcare, elder care (which becomes increasingly important now), all the sort of day-to-day life issues, that tend to be in women's domain, that tend to be ignored in traditional law firm life. Now we've focused entirely on law firms; and, obviously, there are many other areas that one can be in and be in the law besides law firms.

Sungaila: Right, it seems like the studies seem to focus not only on law firms, but on large law firms. And I think that's in part because of a perception that that is, number one, the more prestigious part of the law and also the most traditional and presumably inflexible. So, if you can get a read on what the large law firms are doing, then the others must sort of flow from that.

Orenstein: I think that's exactly right, and I don't know for sure that that's true. One of the things that was interesting to me with Denise – again, who's the African American woman— really felt that she had to, as a Harvard grad who was black and female, even though she didn't particularly want to go into a large law firm (she wanted to be a child advocate and do a more advocacy, social-work type of law, which is a sort of traditionally female-like domain), she felt that as a pioneer expanding options it was her obligation to go into a law firm, because that's what "power" meant. And maybe it does, and maybe it doesn't. The definitions of "power" and what they mean to women are very murky and difficult to tease out. But, I have heard that certainly from a lot of women I interviewed and a lot of women I know, that [they've] been trained in law schools to believe a lot of the time that success is success in a large firm.

The Part-Time Puzzle

Sungaila: You touched on this a little bit. It's actually the Women's Bar Association of Massachusetts report, which Nancer Ballard worked on, entitled More Than Part-Time: The Effect of Reduced Hours Arrangements on the Retention, Recruitment, and Success of Women Attorneys in Law Firms. That is the entire title; so, very long. Not a good sound bite on that one either.

Orenstein: What I read was an interim report that came out of the Wellesley Center for Research on Women.

Sungaila: O.K. But this report that just came out in December [2000] really studied the reduced hour arrangements available at law firms, and concluded that those kind of arrangements were necessary to retain and attract talent, in particular women attorneys, but that just having a paper part-time policy really was not enough to be effective. That first of all, both men and women had to actually use the policies and they needed to be individualized to each person's particular needs. I really have two questions from that. Would such policies really ease the "Crunch" years, in your view? Or are part-time policies really the only answer? Are we looking the wrong direction, or the right direction? Or . . . ?

Orenstein: I think that they can work. I was just looking up the interim report that I had. It wasn't focusing on [part-time] specifically. It was on – equally long title – Equal Engagement: Observations on Career Success and Meaning in the Lives of Women Lawyers. It's Working Paper Number 292 from the Center for Research on Women at Wellesley, in case anybody's interested in it.

I think part-time arrangements can be real progress, or they cannot be real progress. It really depends on how they're implemented. If they're only used by women, and the women are marginalized through them, they're not progress. If they're used by women and men, and they're not marginalized through them, and if they're not only used for parents, also, then they can be a real way to progress. We are going to have a generation of people that are elderly soon, right? We're about to face an elder boom. I will be interested to see how that affects all these issues. I think that people are not going to want traditional retirements anymore and, instead of being booted out at 65 or 70 or whatever the age is in your particular arena, there's going to be more demand for flexible schedules and part-time work and consulting types of work for people who are still in their very vital years, in their sixties and seventies, and want to keep doing professional work in a different kind of way. And that may open some doors for those of us who are younger to make changes at the other end of the professional [spectrum]. This is a utopian idea, perhaps; or, perhaps, it's the next revolution. But, it's something I've been thinking about that might be an interesting thing coming up.

Sungaila: Right, because it takes that away from being a "women's issue" . . .

Orenstein: I saw a lot of difficulty in part-time arrangements. People in positions of power, and supervisors, and that sort of thing, are of course now more aware of the needs, of what they view as the needs of mothers, right? Anybody I had interviewed who went part-time and who was engaged with their work had a lot of conflict about it. Because first of all, part-time these days often means that you're working forty hours instead of sixty hours [a week]. And secondly, they felt that they weren't getting interesting assignments, so they were starting to become much less engaged with their work, feeling much less central to their firm or their corporation, and that was frustrating; and yet, they were also enjoying their time at home, so there was this back-and-forth thing that would go on.

But, at the same time, what was being resisted were those sorts of arrangements for men. And I would see [resistance] both in terms of the organizations and in terms of family life . . . There was one couple I interviewed whom I ended up not writing about, but the guy was a public defender and he wanted to work part-time after the birth of his children (well, both children, but one child at first); and while there were a lot of women who were [going part-time] in [his] office, it was very difficult for them to get the concept that he wanted to be mommy-tracked. And they kept giving him the kinds of cases that wouldn't allow that. And he kept saying, "No, no, I don't want to do the big murder case. I can't do that right now, because I'm only working part-time." And, it was very difficult for them to get the concept, for a man. And, I think, that's also the coming revolution: that men, the difficulty of men doing that, it's greater than for women, and yet equally necessary in order to make progress.

And the flipside of that is something that I did talk a lot about in the book: a couple that I profiled, both are lawyers, and he worked for the government and he did take a paternity leave. He was the only one in his office to do it, but he took a paternity leave, which they can do, if you work for the government. During the time she went back to work, she started feeling that she wasn't comfortable with him having what seemed to her to be a more primary relationship with the child; and by the time his paternity leave was over, she decided to leave work and he went back full-time. So, that chapter in the book shows a lot of the internal pressures that come [into] play in those kind of situations.

But again, outside of parenthood, I recently was talking to a guy who was single and didn't have any kids, and he wanted to take the same kind of part-time option that some of the people who were parents in his law firm were taking; but they wouldn't let him, because he didn't have what they considered to be a valid reason (which would be children). In fact, there were other things he wanted to do. He was probably in his early thirties, I would guess, and he wanted to have time for his art, kind of a very bohemian kind of a guy, and they just said, "No, you can't do that [go part-time]." I think it's interesting when you start looking at issues of quality of life and professional success, and allowing people to have both, it's not just about parents, it's not just about women, but it becomes a larger question of how are we going to create a society where people are professionally successful and professionally valuable and contribute and also have quality of life. I mean, we've gotten very skewed.

Sungaila: Yes, that's definitely true. Two points. The first one: sometimes the labels we use for things are just so value-laden. "Part-time," for example. You have concerns about the things that are overlaid on the word "balance." Well, "part-time" – that to me implies a less-than-full commitment to one's job and career when, as you point out, part-time is forty hours a week generally. And, as actually the Women's Bar Association [of Massachusetts] report points out, in 1960 the American Bar Association recommended that a full-time lawyer bill about 1,300 hours a year, which is even less than what "part-time" people bill now. And now our ideal of a full-time attorney is to bill 2,300 hours per year, maybe more. And it just seems that it's . . .

Orenstein: A form of insanity?

Towards Quality of Life

Sungaila: Well, isn't this "balance" problem, or concern, really in part an outgrowth of an increased all-encompassing focus on the number of hours we think we have to spend at work? And, I guess, sort of a [decreasingly] holistic view of the person? This guy you talked about who said, "Well, I want to have time to pursue these other interests and to be a whole person." It seems that there are other larger issues with this focus, at least in the United States, on work and the number of hours you put into it.

Orenstein: Yes, and I was just scrolling [on my laptop computer] . . . Obviously, I have my book on the computer . . . and I was just trying to find this footnote . . . There was an article on the front page of the New York Times a year or so ago – I can't find it right now – but [it] actually chronicled what had happened to part-time work and what part-time work had become: you're working full-time, you're not getting full-time pay, and you're not getting full-time benefits. And a lot of times (it is usually women of course), they're working at two in the morning – you know, this working at home thing that can expand . . . you really have to question that.

But, I wanted to get back for a minute to a successful example, which is not in the law but it's something I talk about in the book, which is Hewlett Packard. The guy who had been the head of Hewlett Packard up until recently was an older guy, in his sixties, I imagine. And he had been the kind of typical professional man whose wife stayed home with the kids and did all the millions of things that allow a person to be able to pursue their work without anything [diverting their attention] – you know, [providing] food, clothing, whatever, taking care of the children, driving them to the doctor, all the millions and millions of tasks that stay-at-home spouses do. And then his wife died. And, suddenly, he was a single dad. And he admitted that he used to think that women brought these problems on themselves; and he suddenly understood, very viscerally, what the challenge was. Even after he remarried, he continued to be aware of that, and when he rose to the top of the company, he not only put those policies into place that you were talking about (working part-time whether they have children or don't have children; are married or not married; about taking sabbaticals; about being whole people, and all that).

He [also] – really, from the very top down – promoted those types of programs, and made it clear that they were not going to affect a person's advancement potential. And they actually had, and again, this applies back to the Massachusetts Bar Association study, they had the highest retention rate of women in the industry. And by the time he left the company, I don't think it's an accident that there's now, what's her name? . . . Carly . . . it's a woman who's the head of that company now. And that's because there were plenty of women in the pipeline, because they've created a [favorable] environment. And he encouraged men, not just women, to take advantage of these kind of options and so, it became the environment of the company that, yes, will result in a higher retention rate and a higher promotion rate of women, but I think ultimately is just better all the way around.

I don't know what's happened since he's left. But the statistics have been [better during his tenure]; just like those family-friendly law firms, it clearly shows that changing the environment [makes a difference for women]. If you just say that women bring this on by their choices, well, that doesn't get you anywhere. When you can see that changing the environment in a major corporation – that it's possible to change an environment in a company that size – well, then, it's possible to change an environment in a law firm.

Sungaila: Well, and in a short timeframe as well. To turn a large ship around [presumably] takes more effort.

Orenstein: A lot of the women whom I spoke with did talk about the advantages of working someplace smaller (that you can change the environment more readily and that sort of thing). At the same time, if you work someplace smaller and you want to change your status to working fewer hours or taking a leave, the pressure on everybody else is greater – and that was a problem, too.

Consciousness-Raising

Sungaila: I've done a little survey here looking at the responses, which are actually overwhelming and universal, of readers on Amazon.com who have posted comments on your book.

Orenstein: Really? I never read those.

Sungaila: Well, they are overwhelmingly favorable, so you don't have to fear [looking at them]. But they really do have an overarching theme. There was one woman who posted who really encapsulated these views. She said: "I found in these women different parts of myself and I wanted shout, 'me, too!' Just knowing that I'm 'everywoman' gives me encouragement to continue seeking answers to the challenges facing us in this new millennium." Why do you think this book has struck such a chord, and did you intend or hope that it would have such widespread impact?

Orenstein: No, I hoped nobody would read it. [Laughs] Just kidding.

Yes, one thing that surprised me when I was doing the group interviews was . . . Well, I'm in my late thirties, so I'm a little bit of a post-feminist child, in the sense that I didn't see those consciousness-raising groups and all that sort of thing . . . Although we did sit around and look at our cervixes with plastic specula when I was in college and found that very empowering. [Laughs] But I went to Oberlin.

Women would, in these interviews, in the group interviews, there was, like, an electricity in them. They would start to cry, they were so intense, all of them. Every once in a while, one was a clunker, but they were very intense. We have this reputation as women for talking with each other, you know, for talking a lot. But, I think there's a way that we don't really, well, we certainly don't talk across these lines of difference in experience that I was talking about earlier. But sometimes, I think, even with our friends, there's a way that we rush in to reassure one another; there's a way that we don't talk fully [and] honestly, and we've gotten very somehow separated. One thing that changed while I was doing these group interviews – and it was interesting to me – was when I first started doing them, I had to create a lot of artificial groups. And that was fine, like I said, there was an advantage to creating groups of women who didn't know each other and would never see each other again.

But as this progressed, because I was doing this for several years, the rise of book groups began. And I think that book groups for women have become an apolitical way to get together and do what women used to in consciousness-raising groups. Because my experience has been that they talk about the book for ten minutes, and then it veers into something completely different. [Laughs] And they talk about the issues of their life and the substance of their lives. And that women, particularly in a time of change and a time of flux and a time when things are uneasy, need to do that.

I think, instead, what's happened over the last ten or fifteen years or twenty years is that we are told when we are young that we can do anything we want to do and be anything we want to be. And although that's a wonderful message, it doesn't set us up to understand the obstacles that we're going to face, and it ends up blaming us for not being able to do everything and be anything. It feels that it's a matter of these individual choices, instead of being a set of collective issues that we need to address. So I think that the sense of identification women feel [in reading the book] is related to that. I hope it's also related to the accessibility of the book. I've been talking in a very theoretical way in this interview, but the book is so grounded in individuals and stories, I think that that connects with people much more strongly.

Sungaila: It's more of an anecdotal approach. In another interview about this book with Diane Rehm, you noted that with this book, "The reporting never ends; the dialogue continues." Is this part of what you were referring to in that regard, does the dialogue continue for you as well? It sounds like you continue to think about and spin out some of the things that you found in the book.

Orenstein: I'm always running into people [about whom] I think, "Where were you? You would have been a perfect story [for the book]." I feel that I could write a whole new book of stories of just, lives in flux. What I've come to enjoy as a writer is looking at the ways that ordinary people in ordinary lives reflect these huge historical trends that we're living through. It's just so much fun. Whenever I ask somebody if I can interview them, they always say, well, my life isn't very interesting, and I think, you have no idea how interesting your life is. I find everybody's lives really interesting. I've lived all over the country, and I have friends all over the country in different kinds of circumstances at this point who are women who have not married and don't have children, women who are married and don't have children, women who are working, women who are staying home with kids – I have kind of the whole gamut, and I spend a lot of time chatting with my friends on the phone. I feel that I live my material, in my own life too; I live my material, which is at once exciting and interesting, but sometimes I just think, "Next time, I'm going to write about trees or something, I just have got to write about something that doesn't quite keep hitting me in the gut every time I turn around." It can be a little painful.

Sungaila: Well, it's important to write about what you know, right? So, that works out well.

Orenstein: That's what they tell you in creative writing school. But, you know what, I'd like to write about something I don't know anything about. [Laughs]

Publishing Trends & the Next Generation

Sungaila: Then, you don't have to keep living it. It's kind of interesting. In 1999, Routledge published a book by Cynthia Epstein about part-time, The Part-Time Paradox: Time Norms, Professional Life, Family and Gender. See, another long title. It's concerning lawyers and law firms. And I understand that Susan Faludi has a release scheduled for 2002 that will cover, sort of, work-family balance issues as well.

Orenstein: I'm not sure that's what her [Faludi's] book is about.

Sungaila: O.K. But it seems there are a number of books coming out covering these kinds of issues. I was wondering why there is this sort of publishing trend or interest in [these types of] books? Is this just a reflection of women's desire for guidance on these issues?

Orenstein: I think there was a spate of [these type of books] in the 80s with The Second Shift [by Arlie Hochschild (Viking, 1989)]and some other books, and I think it's an issue that has to continually be rethought and rediscussed, partly because even if a book is still relevant it can seem old, and partly because things change. I don't think it's a topic that ever is irrelevant.

Sungaila: Well, it's good to have the new, current iterations, because I know that when young attorneys come in to interview at firms they always say, "Oh no, well that was your experience," (even if it was just ten years ago), "mine will be completely different."

Orenstein: That's exactly it. I was reading recently BUST magazine – their issue on feminism just came out, which is wonderful, but the kind of discussion of "Should we call ourselves feminists? What is a feminist? Does it mean you hate men?" You know, I thought, man, I remember having that discussion when I was eighteen years old, when I was a freshman in college: Did we relate to women who were feminists in their thirties? No, absolutely not. We weren't "Them." So, they're saying the same thing now. And I thought, of course they are, because every group of young people has to define themselves differently and stake out their territory and define themselves in opposition to what has come before . . . . [Tape cuts off]

Final Thought: There is No One Right Path

Sungaila: What is the single message you would like people to take from your book?

Orenstein: I considered calling this book "Where's the Map?" But the ultimate message is: there isn't a single right path [to take]. That, and the need for trying as much as we can to open these channels of dialogue [with each other about the challenges we face].

Sungaila: Thank you once again for taking the time to do this interview.

Orenstein: Thank you for asking me.

Editors' Note: For a Books-on-Law interview of related interest, see M.C. Sungaila's interview (2-21-00) with Susan Brownmiller. For a related Books-on-Law review, see Judge Barbara Jacobs Rothstein's review of Sisters in Law: Women Lawyers in American History (Harvard University Press, 1998) by Virginia G. Drachman.

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Three Takes on FLUX

FLUX: Women on Sex, Work, Kids, Love, and Life in a Half-Changed World
Peggy Orenstein
New York, NY: Doubleday, 2000 (cloth) / Knopf, 2001 (paper)
Cloth: $25.00 / Paper: $14.00
Pages: 324
ISBN: cloth 0385498861 / paper 038549887X

Women Lawyers in FLUX
by Christine Corcos

Peggy Orenstein's FLUX accurately reflects the duality and tension experienced by women professionals in 21st Century America. In particular, the twenty-something women portrayed in the book struggle with the myriad of choices a purportedly "post-feminist" world presents to them. In the `60s and `70s, women firmly believed that it was possible to "have it all,", but since then women have discovered that the "all" they can have depends on what they are willing to settle for, and which ambitions they are willing to temper, or suppress. Orenstein writes sympathetically but objectively about contemporary young women, who seem unable to reconcile the demands of earning a living in a "career" – as opposed to a "job" – with the other interests and needs in their lives.

Pop Culture Parallels

Women have a harder time of it, say many of the interviewees in FLUX. To this extent, the real women lawyers in FLUX mirror their (so often otherwise unrealistic) counterparts in film and television. In the chapter "High Potential Female," Orenstein profiles Mira, whose successful corporate career gets in the way of her relationship with a boyfriend ambivalent about her rise to the top and causes other women to see her as a threat. In this exchange between Mira and another interviewee, Paula, we see the conflict played out by almost every woman lawyer in television or film at one point or another. Orenstein writes: "[T]he worst career strategy a woman can employ is to try to be like men. 'Some women try to take everything that's feminine in them and erase it,' Paula says. 'Or they'll swear a lot. Men recognize women who are doing that and they don't like it. If they're going to deal with a woman, they want her to be a woman. They may be uncomfortable with you being there at all, but it's worse if you pretend to be a man.' Mira nods, but she looks uncertain. By advising her to be at once conscious and unconscious that she is female, Paula has struck at the heart of the corporate double bind: Women who are perceived as stereotypically feminine are considered ineffectual, but those who are seen as too masculine are considered to be overly aggressive." (51)

One of the criticisms that I and other commentators aim at the portrayal of female lawyers in popular culture is the tendency toward extreme, almost caricaturish images of female attorneys. Women lawyers are often either excellent at their jobs but terrible human beings – think of Rosalind Shays in L. A. Law, who is so disagreeable that the writers dispose of her by shoving her down an elevator shaft, or Laura Fischer in The Verdict, who betrays the hero Frank Galvin. Or women lawyers are depicted as inept or goofy, but wonderfully caring people – Reggie Love in The Client, whose client has to remind her that children have rights, too, or Glenda Parks in Seems Like Old Times, whose soft heart leads her to hire her recidivist clients as household help. If they are good lawyers and nice human beings (Renee Jackson in Any Day Now, Teddi Barnes in Jagged Edge, Janet Venable in Primal Fear), they can't catch a man, "catch" being the operative word. In Ally McBeal, the title character jumps from one dreadful love affair to another. Nelle, who personifies the beautiful and capable woman attorney, is also a traitor (attempting to leave the firm and take important clients with her). She is also somewhat mean-spirited in her dealings with other women, implying that attractive, successful women are necessarily jealous and insecure. Similarly, Ling, who begins her association with the firm as a client but eventually joins as a partner, is viewed as abrasive, overly concerned with her appearance, and ungenerous. Indeed, her image is so extreme that the writers devote a special episode to show that she is, indeed, capable of caring about others ("Angels and Blimps," airdate 2/8/99). Orenstein's work reminds us that if "reel" women are in a no-win situation, that is because real women in the 21st Century in the United States are similarly situated.

Struggles with Motherhood and Marriage

Women are supposed to want to be mothers, but as Orenstein points out in the chapter "Pinning the Butterfly," finding women willing to acknowledge the biological imperative, and come to terms with it, was difficult. "Some of the women I met during my two-year search had never spoken of their doubts about mothering to anyone; it made them feel that aberrant, that guilt-stricken." (122) Women like Belinda, the law school graduate who makes a conscious choice to pursue another career less threatening to her husband, have tremendous problems subordinating their obvious desires and abilities to what their feminist peers may consider a "lesser" path. "Passionate about labor rights, she'd earned a law degree, then opted against practicing, in part because, if she ever did have children she felt the hours required of lawyers would be untenable." (123-124).

In "One Woman, Two Worlds," Orenstein explores the dating game in which single professional women look for Mr. Right, or at least Mr. Not Obviously Wrong. In particular, she focuses on Shay, a young black physician, desperately seeking a compatible man. "The 'man shortage' among whites may be a myth, but for black women it's quite real: African American women are approximately fifty percent more likely to graduate college than their male peers, and a disproportionate number of black men are indigent, incarcerated, or on drugs." (88) How can an accomplished African-American woman like Shay find an intelligent, educated, liberated black man willing to make room in his life for her? Shay admits that she rarely tells men who attract her that she is a doctor. " 'I tell them I'm in nursing school, or I don't say what I do.' I ask her why not. 'I don't know,' she says. . . . 'Maybe it's just because I want to forget I'm a doctor. . . . Or maybe it's because people have expectations of doctors.'" (92) Shay has already accepted the fact that in a limited market, men set the conditions for intimacy and many of them don't find financially independent women attractive for the long term.

Women as Colleagues

Other important insights emerge from the pages of FLUX, among them the unacknowledged but real jealousy between accomplished and powerful women and their less fortunate sisters. Says one FLUX subject, "'[Y]ou know . . . whatever tension there is between . . . men and . . . women, it's triplicate between women and women. That I wasn't prepared for. The tension between elite women and their secretaries. Or the tension between childless women and mothers. The women are even less understanding than the men. The men at least have kids. And they take time off. The women work like killer bees.'" (253)

Documenting our Choices

FLUX is too intense to read in one sitting. It requires the reader to enter the lives of Orenstein's interviewees, which can be a painful and emotional experience. This is particularly so because so many of these women have made compromises imposed by society or circumstance, and their unhappiness and confusion radiates to the reader.

The book's great value is in its documentation of different women facing the same problems of love, child care, career conflict, and self-doubt, attacking them according to their own abilities and energies. What we can do is take the mixed messages and double standards to heart. We can admit that FLUX is disturbing and challenging, and actively seek acceptable resolutions, if not perfect justice. Orenstein reminds us that a great number of talented, willing women are sacrificing their dreams because they think if they cannot "have it all," then they are somehow deficient. What FLUX conveys to these women, and to the men and women who come after them, is that a range of choices is now available, and that no choice is the wrong choice, if it is freely made.

Christine Corcos is Associate Professor of Law at Louisiana State University Law Center. Her scholarship includes the analysis of portrayals of women lawyers in television and film.

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A Look At Everyday Equality
by Amy J. Longo

Reading Peggy Orenstein's FLUX, I was reminded of feelings I experienced attending consciousness-raising sessions as a Women's Studies major in the early 1990s – the sensation of wanting to grab every person I saw and say, "Listen to this! This is what we're going through!" And it is not accidental, for Orenstein certainly references the oral "herstory" tradition in FLUX, which recounts her in-depth interviews of over two hundred women between the ages of twenty-five and forty-five during the course of four years, regarding their views on "sex, work, love, kids and life" – and much more.

In FLUX, Orenstein has amassed enough material for several years of consciousness-raising. But her compilation of these women's stories reflects a deft editing hand. This is herstory told in compellingly structured layers that build on and complement each other, circling back to critical themes throughout; centrally: Why can or can't women today "have it all?" Or do they? Orenstein posits that "Statistics can't tell us . . . how real women . . . perceive their opportunities and constraints in the personal and public realms, how they approach dilemmas involving ambition, sexuality, economic self-sufficiency, partnering, and childbearing in the wake of monumental but incomplete change." (4-5) FLUX can, and does.

FLUX is Orenstein's second book in this decidedly feminist genre. Her first, entitled Schoolgirls: Young Women, Self-Esteem, and the Confidence Gap (1994), examined the forces that shape girls' self-image and goals, based on her interviews with girls from across the country. Orenstein came upon the idea for a book about women's views of themselves out of many women's reactions to Schoolgirls – a sense of wonder that despite the progress toward women's equality, girls' sense of self remained heavily impacted by gendered expectations. Orenstein realized that women could not hope to change the "social forces that squelch the hopes of so many girls" if they did not recognize their impact in their own lives. (2) Personal forces also motivated Orenstein, for she recounts in FLUX her own wrestling with the decision, at thirty-four, of whether or not to become a mother.

Getting to Know Women

Orenstein's reporting provides a wonderful mix of context-setting description and recounted dialogue. She relates just enough information about her subjects so that a reader can almost picture them. For example, recalling Mira, a young executive at a Manhattan financial services conglomerate, Orenstein describes her "casual tweed pants suit, the result of a newly relaxed dress code," the Dilbert cartoons and pizza menu tacked to her office bulletin board, and her belief that "in Corporate America . . . you have to have corporate hair." (42) When we meet Carrie, a former district attorney and stay-at-home mother of two, we learn that her eyes have a "friendly, quizzical look," and that she's been "surprised by the feeling of freedom she finds in motherhood." (166, 175) Orenstein describes the "weekend uniform" of Emily, an associate partner at an international business consulting firm and mother of three, as "sweatpants, a Polartec pullover, and fleece slippers." (186) On the other hand, Wendy, a single forty-one year old corporate vice-president, has "a forest green Miata convertible" – a "single woman's car." (237)

It is this type of personalization that makes FLUX eminently readable. By introducing us in a fair amount of detail to so many of the women she interviewed, Orenstein showcases the breadth of her subjects and their diversity. Getting to know Orenstein's subjects makes readers that much more invested in learning how their individual stories turn out. At the same time, the length of Orenstein's portraits is well-varied. Sometimes she concentrates on one woman's story across several chapters; other times she introduces us to a group of several women at once; sometimes she provides just snippets of her interviews with her subjects.

The diversity of Orenstein's subjects is impressive. Women from all forms of professional life are represented – women in advertising, publishing, film, education, law, medicine, social work, finance, technology, consulting, sales, and other industries. She has interviewed women from across the country, from cities like New York City, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Silicon Valley, Oakland, and Washington D.C., to suburbs in New Jersey, Maryland, Virginia, Illinois and Minnesota, to name a few. Orenstein talks to women who are single, dating, living with someone, married, divorced, widowed, remarried; women who have no children to women with as many as four children.

Another interesting feature of FLUX is that Orenstein interviews the people surrounding her subjects, such as boyfriends, husbands and family members. For example, one husband observes his astonishment at how many of the dynamic women in his own workplace "transform" in social settings with their mates, becoming "more passive." (200) A father who stayed at home for the first year of his daughter's life recounts his surprise at the "constantness . . . the lack of breaks" of early childcare, and at the same time, the "absolutely tangible" feeling of parental love. (174) The mother of a woman who chose to have a child without a partner reflects how hard she feared it would be for her daughter, and how hard it is; yet, it is "the best thing she's done." (154)

The organization of FLUX into roughly the three decades of life of the women Orenstein interviewed – the 20s, 30s, and 40s – gives the book a natural flow. At the same time, by selecting the labels for each period that she does, Orenstein in some ways commits herself to a restricting view of what women of any given age are experiencing. Since Orenstein is so careful elsewhere in FLUX to shun static views of women's paths, these descriptive conventions feel somewhat out of place. On the other hand, the organization provides a logical progression through stages that many women, at least, are experiencing in those decades, such as beginning one's career, deciding whether or not to partner, whether or not to have children, how far to advance one's career, whether and how to return to the workforce, etc.

Much More Than A Collection of Stories

Woven among the interviews Orenstein recounts are statistics and facts that give another kind of context to the women's experiences she shares. Some of the hardest-hitting statistics appear in the Introduction, where Orenstein reminds us that, as of the late 1990s, women's earnings were still 74% of men's; women comprised 27% of lawyers but only 13% of law partners; 48% of managers but only 3% of "top earners;" 43% of tenure track professors but only 26% of tenured professors. (4)

Throughout FLUX, Orenstein gently reminds readers some of the reasons why women are faced with the difficult choices and tradeoffs the book describes. For example, speaking to women in their 20s, the period Orenstein labels "The Promise," she notes that while many young women grew up in a time when discrimination against women was illegal and abortion legal, "beneath their boundless optimism lies a sneaking suspicion that the rhetoric of 'choices' is in part a con job, disguising impossible dilemmas as matters of personal preference." (18)

Orenstein intersperses her interviews with sociological studies. For example, one study shows that women tend to self-select off of the most ambitious career paths, in favor of jobs that provide more flexible options for women with families; and another demonstrates that top-ranking women executives are more likely to be unmarried and childless, while 90% of top-ranking male executives are married with children.

Talking to women in their 30s, the period Orenstein calls "The Crunch," she observes: "Sometime in her early to mid-thirties, no matter what she does – whether she is single or married, avidly pursues a career or scales back, has children or does not – the contradiction between a woman's vision of equality and the tug of tradition will get her right in the gut." (97)

Here, Orenstein notes, for example, a psychologist's observation that society does not have a term for a woman without children that does not imply absence. On the other hand, she cites studies showing that mothers who work often micromanage their children's lives in an effort to "cling to maternal control." (111) Recounting the stories of midlife women, or what Orenstein labels the period of "Reconsiderations," she notes pop culture's less than balanced depiction of women over thirty who choose not to marry – for example, the popularity of the book The Rules that "urg[es] women to see their marital status rather than the quality of their lives as the true measure of happiness." (241)

Orenstein's use of sociological, psychological and feminist studies throughout FLUX is subtle and well-balanced. Although her focus is on recounting her interviewees' stories, her intermittent reference to these secondary sources grounds the work in a more academic perspective. For readers who might not sit down and read these studies, FLUX provides an effortless exposure to some recent thinking in these areas.

Orenstein is careful to be balanced and inclusive of women from all different ages (within her stated parameters), ethnicities, races, sexualities and geographic locations. One omission, however, is of women from lower income levels or women living in poverty. Orenstein is upfront about this, stating that she focused on college-educated women because she wanted to talk to women who "believed they had options." (8) One could question, though, whether any discussion of the state of women's lives today is complete without looking at the lives of women with fewer options.

A Book for Sharing

Ultimately, Orenstein is optimistic about the way women are negotiating the challenges of a "half-changed world." In the afterword, entitled "Thriving in a Time of Flux," Orenstein concludes that progress is needed in several areas before women will experience greater fulfillment. It is not so simple as having men do more of their share of household and childcare responsibilities; women have to let them, and refrain from micromanaging, Orenstein chides. Women who stay home need to strive for "intellectual and economic equality" in that situation, while the workplace needs to do more to support working mothers. Above all, women need to share their experiences and "talk across lines of age and circumstance," rather than clustering among women who have made the same choices that they have.

Feminists will, no doubt, delight in FLUX, which takes its place among, while paying homage to, the deeply rooted twin traditions of oral herstory and consciousness-raising. But FLUX has a much broader appeal. Orenstein truly delivers on her goal of expanding the way readers think about "women's – and men's – lives," to inspire "the search for a more satisfied life." (11) A reader cannot help but take away at least one story that contributes to her own search.

Amy J. Longo, an alumna of Columbia Law School, is a litigation attorney with the Newport Beach office of O'Melveny & Myers LLP, and is an Associate Editor of the American Bar Association Section of Litigation's bi-monthly periodical Litigation News.

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So Many Options . . . So Many Choices
by Ruth D. Kahn

Peggy Orenstein is to be commended for her highly insightful book, FLUX. The work is comprehensive, well written, and thought-provoking. In it, Orenstein accurately identifies and analyzes the myriad of issues facing young women today, including (1) the choice of one's career; (2) the decision of whether to marry and, if so, when; (3) how to balance being "a good wife" with a challenging career; (4) differences between how men and women are perceived in the workplace; (5) the issue of whether to have children; (5) the effect of having children on a woman's career and (7) how to balance children and marriage with all the other demands modern women face.

While most of the book is upbeat, Orenstein demonstrates that for many women there is "a cost" with attempting to "have it all." While women certainly have more choices today than they have ever had before, those choices in turn create more conflict.

Through her conversations with more than two hundred women between the ages of twenty-five and forty-five, Orenstein explores what it is like for an ambitious woman to fulfill her career goals while trying to maintain the more traditional roles of wife and mother.

"That's Me!" – Profiling Women With Whom Readers Can Identify

Orenstein describes her candid conversations with these women with such clarity that the reader can readily identify with them. As a woman, an attorney in a law firm who was recently elected to the firm's partnership, a wife, and a mother, I saw myself (as well as my colleagues and friends) in many of the women who were interviewed for the book.

While Orenstein's interviews with women demonstrate that you can't "have it all," they also show that women can still lead happier, more fulfilling lives than were possible a generation or two ago. More jobs are open to women in male-dominated fields, and many workplaces offer flexible or part-time schedules, allowing women to have challenging careers and to feel that they still have an active role in raising a family.

Orenstein describes one woman, "Emily," to whom I can particularly relate. Emily is a mother of three and a partner at a business consulting firm. She has a satisfying, well-paying career, a husband who does his share of the child rearing, reliable daycare, a comfortable home, and solid investments for retirement. To her, the key is having all of these things work together. Without good daycare or a supportive husband, Emily says she would not have advanced on the job as much as she has. She believes her career enhances her mental health and her marriage yet, in order to achieve this, Emily realizes she has had to let go of her ideal of "the perfect mother" and to delegate many physical acts of care taking. Yet, no one seems to be suffering. As Emily notes, she feels her children are not being raised with any less attention than she was as "the fourth of seven children."

As a result of her flexible attitude, Emily is one prototype of the modern-day woman. The book is full of other examples of other women who choose to have careers while raising children single-handedly, who elect to stay childless, etc. If the book demonstrates anything, it shows that there are many approaches to dealing with the many issues that face us. All young women should read it.

Ruth D. Kahn is a partner with Steptoe & Johnson LLP in Los Angeles, California. Her practice focuses on complex torts and product liability litigation.

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Reviews

Beyond Victimization: New Approaches to Gender Violence and Law Reform
by Julie Goldscheid & Mary McGowan Davis

Battered Women and Feminist Lawmaking
Elizabeth M. Schneider
New Haven, CT: Yale University Press, 2000
Cloth: $29.95
Pp. 232
ISBN: 0300083432

Professor Elizabeth M. Schneider's Battered Women and Feminist Lawmaking, a groundbreaking account of the evolution of domestic violence legal reforms, comes at a key moment in the history of legislative and judicial efforts to address the problem. As the book recounts, there have been tremendous legal and policy advances in addressing domestic violence, yet formidable challenges remain. For example, in the same year the book was published, Congress reauthorized the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA), with $3.3 billion in funding, and the Supreme Court invalidated VAWA's civil rights remedy as beyond federal legislative power. The first event suggests that government may be receptive to one of the central insights of Schneider's excellent and authoritative book -- that women and families in crisis need a wide range of social services and criminal justice responses. The second reflects the difficulties inherent in realizing the larger, more insistent theme sounded by Schneider: that no real progress will be achieved in eradicating violence from women's lives until it is addressed as a matter of gender equality. By documenting the debates, the reform efforts, and the theoretical and political context in which the battered women's movement has grown, Schneider provides a valuable foundation upon which to build future initiatives.

While some of her observations may strike readers familiar with the gender wars as unremarkable, Schneider's comprehensive treatment of intimate violence will appeal to a wide audience. Scholars, practitioners, social service providers, judges, and lawmakers will find in this thought-provoking volume a wealth of information, making it essential reading for all who are interested in the subject. Schneider, who is a professor at Brooklyn Law School, brings vast knowledge to bear on her discussion of the history of the battered women's movement and the contradictions between theory and practice that complicate efforts to assist women in crisis and effect real change in their lives. The author's experiences as a litigator, a scholar, and a thinker committed to transforming the boundaries of the debate give this magisterial work an authenticity that underscores the dilemmas she identifies and adds urgency to her appeals for reform.

History of the Battered Women's Movement

Schneider begins her discussion of domestic violence with a lucid, readable chapter surveying the history of battering, and of women's efforts to situate the problem of domestic abuse within the larger framework of gender-motivated violence. This is one of the most compelling chapters in the book, both because it documents the truly absorbing account of the birth of a social movement and because, in setting forth historical perspectives on battering, Schneider's sometimes impenetrable academic prose takes on a welcome transparency. As recounted by Schneider, domestic violence has been known in virtually every culture throughout history. From early Roman law, which accorded a husband the right to beat, murder, or divorce his wife for offenses assertedly compromising his honor, to the Catholic Church's 15th Century endorsement of wife beating as evidencing a husband's concern for his wife's soul, the pertinent laws treated domestic abuse differently from other cases of assault and battery. Invoking the work of such scholars as Linda Gordon, Elizabeth Pleck, and Reva Siegel, Schneider traces the evolution of the battered women's movement and situates the problem of domestic violence in America within the larger context of women's history.

From Struggling "Sister" to "Client"

Professor Schneider carries forward the story of the struggle to transform the focus of the movement's energy from its early fixation on the pathology of the battered woman as an impaired "victim" in need of sustenance and shelter, to the contemporary preoccupation with the battered woman as a "client" who is properly the subject of attention by health and social service professionals. In this current emphasis on battering as a social problem – the "inevitable" outgrowth of poverty and a violence-prone culture – Schneider laments the disappearance of the "explicitly political" (21) outlook prevalent during the consciousness-raising era of the late 1960s and early 70s, when feminists viewed battered women as "sisters" whose experience of violence belonged to a larger pattern, common to all women, of systematic gender subordination and institutionalized male dominance.

To counteract this trend of treating domestic violence in isolation, divorced from the wider context of women's history, Schneider calls attention to the developing international human rights campaign that is focusing the world's attention on the problem of violence against women. She is optimistic that this human rights discourse, which speaks to women's right to be free of gender violence and links the problem of violence to issues of equality, reproductive freedom, and economic opportunity, will galvanize "domestic violence work in this country within the explicitly feminist political and expansive social vision that first inspired the issue's advocates." (28)

Feminist Lawmaking

Despite the centrality of the term "feminist lawmaking" to Schneider's book, she spends several chapters detailing various theories of feminism articulated by other scholars before she succinctly defines feminist lawmaking on battering as "a process by which women's experiences with battering are translated into law." (101) This revelation – which Schneider develops in a first-rate, deeply absorbing discussion of the practical consequences of how the term battering is defined in the first place – is the heart of Schneider's book and offers rich rewards for practitioners and theorists alike.

Key to feminist lawmaking, Schneider persuasively argues, is the notion that battered women's concrete experiences must be the starting point for developing and shaping the law. Unless judges and juries can really understand what the "coercive dimension[s]" (102) of a violent relationship actually mean to the victim who is struggling to survive one, they will have no context in which to evaluate the factual and legal claims put before them. One method of ensuring that women's voices are heard by courts determining weighty issues that impact women's interests is submission of an amicus curiae brief, which litigators have used to educate judges about the broader implications of their decisions. Another means of incorporating battered women's daily experiences into litigation strategy is the use of expert testimony. But, as Schneider emphasizes, there are dangers to the reliance on experts, and careful thought must be given to defining and implementing such a tactic.

Tensions Between Theory & Practice

Indeed, Schneider's truly original and valuable contribution to the literature on domestic violence is her deft and thorough treatment of the tensions between feminist theory on the one hand and its actual practical implications for courtroom and social strategies on the other. Demonstrating the truth of the adage, "Watch out what you wish for because your wish may come true," she details several areas in which activists' successes at gaining recognition of battered women's claims for attention and redress have had mixed results for the women they are intending to help. Rather than simply offering a critique, Schneider describes the innovative attempts to improve policy based on battered women's experiences, providing useful examples for students of policy development and legal reform.

In the courtroom, one such example involves the use of testimony about the so-called "Battered Women Syndrome." Schneider's stimulating discussion of the confusion engendered by indiscriminate use of this term to describe women's experience of violence – with its shifting of blame away from the batterer and on to the victim – is enormously illuminating and should be mandatory reading for all who work on domestic violence cases. While Schneider strongly advocates use of expert testimony to put women's concrete experiences in a contextual framework, her account of the ways in which such evidence can be misused and misunderstood offers sober warning to lawyers that they must give careful attention both to the purposes for which expert testimony is offered and to the individual circumstances of the woman who is its focus.

A second area where feminist theory and practice can clash, to the detriment of a battered client, is in mounting a claim of self-defense for a woman who kills her abuser. According to Schneider, one of the most critical needs for law reform is to secure for battered women who kill a truly equal right to trial – which means the right to pursue a claim of self-defense, if appropriate. Yet the current emphasis of feminist theorists on portraying battered women as survivors rather than as victims, as agents who act purposefully within the context of a violent relationship rather than as the passive recipient of blows, presents real challenges when it comes to mounting a successful justification defense. (Schneider observes that in most states the statutory elements of "reasonableness," proportionality of force, temporal proximity of danger, and duty to retreat already stack the deck against battered women, who defend themselves in circumstances where these concepts have little relevance.) Judges and juries may have difficulty reconciling the view of a battered woman as the passive victim of "learned helplessness" – which is the common theme of "battered women syndrome" testimony – with the actual defendant before them who has killed her abuser. Indeed, as documented by Schneider, given the current gender-discriminatory legal standards defining "reasonableness," battered women's claims of self-defense are rarely successful.

Domestic Violence as Gender Discrimination

Schneider emphasizes the importance of creating "an explicit framework of gender equality" as key to a comprehensive legal response to domestic violence. (197) While it is difficult to argue with her position, readers undoubtedly would benefit from a more fulsome and concrete description of what she would propose. The VAWA civil rights remedy, which provided civil damages for gender-motivated violence and framed the issue as one of discrimination, exemplifies an equality-based approach to domestic violence and sexual assault. Accordingly, Schneider's discussion of the VAWA civil rights remedy is particularly interesting, even though the text apparently went to print before the U.S. Supreme Court declared the law unconstitutional in United States v. Morrison (2000).

Nevertheless, it is somewhat difficult to discern Schneider's views on the pre-Morrison decisions addressing VAWA civil rights remedy domestic violence claims. She argues both that those cases reflect judges' bias about domestic violence (193) and that they "show some hopeful signs." (194) Perhaps her description reflects the dearth of authority on the issue. The one case in which a court rejected a domestic violence claim as lacking evidence of gender-motivation, Dolin v. West, 22 F. Supp.2d 1343 (M.D. Fla. 1998), contained absolutely no allegations of gender-motivation and thus cannot fairly be construed as signaling a biased approach to domestic violence cases. Yet other courts' recognition that evidence such as gender-specific epithets, stereotypic comments, and sexual violence can reflect gender-motivation suggest that courts may be receptive to an equality framework, particularly when the case is appropriately pled.

One troubling aspect of Schneider's analysis of VAWA civil rights claims is her prediction that courts may treat cases alleging sexual assault more favorably than those based on claims of domestic violence. (193, 194) Yet, as her own review of the case law demonstrates, cases of domestic violence may themselves involve sexual assault, making the distinction between the two less clear-cut than her account would imply. And to the extent that she is concerned that bias may impede judges' ability to recognize gender-motivation in acts of domestic violence, lower court decisions assessing VAWA civil rights claims involving acquaintance rape indicate that bias may infuse consideration of sexual assault cases as well. For example, lower court decisions in the Morrison case (litigated under the case name Brzonkala v. Virginia Polytechnic) reasoned that date rape may be motivated by "misunderstanding," "a man's sexual passion," or "disrespect for the victim as a person, not as a woman [based on the] victim's personality." 935 F. Supp. 779, 785 (W.D. Va. 1996). If one goal of denominating domestic violence as discrimination is to situate it firmly within the broader context of gender equality, it is surprising that Schneider treats domestic violence and sexual assault as distinct problems, rather than as related actions on a continuum of gender-motivated aggression.

While creating an equality framework for domestic violence law reform is undoubtedly crucial, one wonders how Schneider squares the inherent tension between that approach and another of her key insights -- that reform must be informed, if not driven, by the voices of battered women. Paradoxically, battered women may seek criminal intervention and/or support in the form of social services, childcare, workplace policies or financial assistance, but they rarely frame their experience as a matter of discrimination. It would be illuminating to learn how Schneider views the intersection, and potential contradiction, between these two approaches.

The Next Stage of Feminist Lawmaking

The foregoing introduction to the critical issues Schneider takes up in her masterful analysis of intimate violence only hints at the complexity and richness of this book. By broadening our understanding of the problems of gender violence and its fundamental relationship to the wider spectrum of women's fight for equality, Schneider has pointed the way to a transformation of society's responses to battering and to the women and children who suffer from it. Indeed, one of her concrete suggestions – that government end its exclusive emphasis on the woman's leaving her abuser and provide instead the structures and services that will enable battered women to make their own choices about their lives – has already attracted one prominent standard-bearer. "Domestic violence victims," New York State Chief Judge Kaye told the New York legislature in announcing a new initiative creating specialized domestic violence courts, "often have an ongoing, intimate relationship with the batterer. They may be living together, raising children together. Effective justice requires us to do more than process each case fairly and efficiently."

This recognition that government has a responsibility to provide resources to battered women and their families marks a good beginning to the next stage of feminist lawmaking. As Schneider has persuasively established, however, until the promise of equality is made real for all women, and we end the "cultural complicity" (232) that has perpetuated attitudes condoning women's subordination to men, there will be little change in the disturbing incidence of gender-motivated violence in our society.

Julie Goldscheid was a Senior Staff Attorney at NOW Legal Defense and Education Fund where she litigated several cases, including United States v. Morrison (2000), in which women sought to enforce their rights under the VAWA civil rights remedy. She now serves as General Counsel of Safe Horizon, a leading victim assistance, advocacy, and violence prevention organization.

Mary McGowan Davis is a Visiting Attorney at NOW Legal Defense and Education Fund and a former New York City Criminal Court Judge and Acting Justice of the Supreme Court of the State of New York.

Editors' Note: Ms. Goldsheid's previous contribution to Books-on-Law was a review of Nan Stein's Classrooms to Courtrooms (Teachers College Press, 1999). Books-on-Law's contributing editor, M.C. Sungaila, served as counsel of record in the U.S. Supreme Court on behalf of forty women's rights, civil rights, business, professional, bar and public service organizations who filed an amici curiae brief in support of Christy Brzonkala, Ms. Goldscheid's client in United States v. Morrison.

For a Books-on-Law review of related interest, see Nadine Taub's review of Criminology at the Crossroads: Feminist Readings in Crime and Justice (Oxford University Press, 1998), edited by Kathleen Daly & Lisa Maher.

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Nine Seats at the Table
by Kathy Zonana

Nine and Counting: The Women of the Senate
Barbara Mikulski, Kay Bailey Hutchison, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara Boxer, Patty Murray, Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, Mary Landrieu, and Blanche L. Lincoln, with Catherine Whitney.
New York, NY: William Morrow, 2000 (cloth) / Harperperennial, 2001 (paper)
Cloth: $25.00 / Paper: $13.00
Pp. xvi, 238
ISBN: cloth 0060197676 / paper 0060957069

October, 2000: I'm sitting with my husband and a friend talking about the California Senate race. Republican Congressman Tom Campbell has mounted a halfhearted challenge to Democratic incumbent Dianne Feinstein. He has trailed in the polls from the get-go. The candidates – both pro-choice moderates – are hard to tell apart, and most voters have forgotten there's a Senate race going on. My friend says he's going to vote for Campbell because he supports free trade. I say I'm going to vote for Feinstein because her record on gun control is better. Even if it weren't, I add, I'd select the incumbent in a situation like this, because she's established her position on several critical committees. (During the last Congress, Feinstein served on the Committee on Appropriations, the Committee on the Judiciary, and the Committee on Rules and Administration.)

Then my husband pipes up. "When the candidates are so similar on the issues," he says, "I will always vote for the woman."

I'm quiet for a minute. Both my senators have been women since 1992. I had forgotten it was a problem.

But the title Nine and Counting: The Women of the Senate reminds us that it is. Last year, only California and Maine had two female senators. (Washington State has since joined them.) Five states had one woman and one man representing them in the Legislature's upper house; the remaining 43 states had two men.

Smart Women, Foolish Choices

Any boy in this great nation of ours can look around at this moment and know that it's possible for him to be president. (Any girl in this great nation of ours can look around at this moment and know that it's possible to be the president's wife, and then a member of the United States Senate.)
             —Anna Quindlen (Newsweek, December 18, 2000)

The women who wrote Nine and Counting can now count all the way to 13, with the election last year of Hillary Rodham Clinton (lately) of New York, Debbie Stabenow of Michigan, Jean Carnahan of Missouri, and, in a squeaker of a race, Maria Cantwell of Washington. Should we be satisfied with a Senate that is thirteen- percent women? With a forty-four percent increase in just one election? If fifty-two percent of the population is female, should fifty-two percent of the Senate be? Or is that an overly simplistic, bean-counting approach?

These are but a few of the interesting questions that Nine and Counting provokes – and fails to answer. The book is dedicated to the Girl Scout Organization. Unfortunately, it reads as if it was written for the Girl Scouts. Filled with platitudes like "The focus on problem-solving exercised daily by the women of the Senate is a living confirmation of the saying 'If you want something done, ask a woman,'" the book is facile and disappointingly vague. (178) In an omniscient voice (presumably Catherine Whitney's), it asserts that women bring a "unique perspective" to the legislature. (25) But it's unclear what that unique perspective really is, and when we do hear about it, unexamined stereotypes are presented as facts.

We hear that women are superior at building relationships, which makes them ideally suited to broker deals in the Senate. But as gender psychologists will tell you, such so-called sex differences are pretty marginal. Surely successful male senators are good at establishing relationships, too. We also hear that women don't have to emulate men to be good senators. And, paradoxically, that men and women are no different.

Such conflicting concepts are at the heart of feminist theory, and scholars spend careers pondering them. A 238-page book isn't going to resolve them. But our leading female policymakers could have given us a more thoughtful take.

This is a book without a point of view, except that it is good to have women in the Senate. Even that is unexplored. The book talks about the "exalted position of a United States senator," but never explains why it's important to have women in that position. (28) To me, it's simple. Since there are only 100 senators, as compared to 435 House members, each one has tremendous legislative power. Women should share in that power.

The book is anemic in part because it is written by nine individuals from both sides of the aisle, each with her own belief system. But the problem seems also to stem from that particular disease of politicians: fear of alienating anyone who might be a registered voter. The book is slickly packaged, from the Annie Leibovitz photograph on the cover to the anecdotes inside, clearly selected for maximum positive impact. Only Patty Murray seems to let down her guard a little, in a section where she describes her teenage daughter Sara's struggles to cope with a mom whose politics were so well-known.

What? You Want to be a Mom and a Senator?

Jim and I get up very early – about 6:00 a.m. We bathe and dress the children and feed them a wonderful breakfast. Then we put them in the freezer, leave for work, and when we come home, we defrost them. And we all have a lovely dinner together. They're great!
             —Former U.S. Congressional representative Pat Schroeder (87)

The most troubled part of Nine and Counting is the chapter entitled "Balancing Acts." The book heaps praise on the female senators, particularly those who are mothers, for, essentially, working outside the home. Granted, it's tiring to work full time and be a parent. But it's a rare privilege of the middle class to keep one parent out of the paid labor force. And a book written for the Boy Scouts wouldn't contain this chapter. (In its characteristic doublespeak, the book notes that a man running for Senate wouldn't be asked "Who'll take care of the children?" (182))

Only the two youngest female senators, Mary Landrieu and Blanche Lincoln, say that they share parenting duties equally with their husbands. And this concept seems lost on Whitney, who remarks that "with the elections of Mary Landrieu in 1996 and Blanche Lincoln in 1998, it's no longer unusual to come across preschoolers racing down the hallways of the Dirksen and Hart Senate office buildings." Don't male senators' kids ever visit Daddy at the office?

Then there's the matter of husbands. The book treats them as if they are candidates for sainthood, simply because they are not threatened by their high-powered wives. "There is one point that the married women senators can agree upon unanimously," Whitney writes. "[I]t takes a special man to be married to a political woman." (103) What's more disturbing is some of the senators' acceptance of gender inequality. "Lets face it," says Patty Murray. "No matter how supportive, your husband is not usually the one who remembers to pick up the toilet paper." (103) Dianne Feinstein describes how the public is suspicious of politicians' husbands: "People think nothing of it when a male politician walks into a room holding his wife's hand," she says. "In fact, they expect a show of solidarity from a political wife. But if I walk into a room holding my husband's hand, it's looked upon quite differently. People immediately wonder how much influence he has." (109) Rather than challenge the sexist system, however, Feinstein elects the politically expedient route. "I choose to campaign alone," she says. "That's okay with me. Historically, our role models have always been strong, solitary women. It's what is meant to be." (109)

The Good Parts

Nine and Counting is not without merit. It's a quick, easy read, and it contains some enjoyable stories. We see Kay Bailey Hutchison, just out of law school and turned down by all the big firms because she's a woman, taking a job as a TV news reporter and becoming interested in politics. Dianne Feinstein, challenged on the Senate floor as unfamiliar with firearms by a male senator during the debate over the assault weapons bill, explains that she became mayor of San Francisco as the result of a double assassination, accidentally putting her fingers through a bullet hole in the wrist of one colleague as she was feeling for a pulse. (For some unfathomable reason, however, Whitney lauds Feinstein for not "giv[ing] over to despair" after the assassination. (60) Patty Murray, knocking on state legislators' doors because she's upset that funds for parent-child education have been cut, is told that she can't make a difference because she's "just a mom in tennis shoes." (41) She gets mad, goes home, organizes 15,000 parents, gets funding restored, and starts running for office. These and similar tales illuminate how these women have faced – and faced down – gender discrimination.

The book also reveals how the women of the Senate do, in fact, work together. In the best tradition of women's solidarity, they meet for dinner every few weeks to offer support and share stories. Barbara Mikulski runs a welcoming seminar for new female senators. And the women have reached across the aisle to enact a bill allowing homemakers to contribute to individual retirement accounts, restore cuts to Medicare, and pass a resolution calling for federal standards that recommend mammograms for women in their forties.

Finally, Nine and Counting provides a good sense of history. It demonstrates how far women have come since the first female senator, Rebecca Latimer Felton, was seated in 1922. (Georgia's governor appointed the eighty-seven-year-old Felton to finish out the term of a deceased senator, but the Senate was already out of session. As a courtesy, the new senator-elect allowed her to take his seat – for one day. She took the opportunity to make an impassioned speech about how women would serve with distinction in the future.) It was only nine years ago that women in the Senate were an anomaly; there had never been more than two at a time. Today, Susan Collins is mentioned as one of the moderates likely to lead this Senate, which is split evenly between Democrats and Republicans.

Soon, perhaps, we won't need a book like this. We're fast approaching the point at which female candidates for the Senate are seen primarily as candidates, not as females. But I think I was a little hasty, last October, to forget that women are under-represented. Women do bring something different to the table. Perhaps it's a more personal perspective on issues like abortion, rape, or women's health. Perhaps it's the knowledge that power can be shared, rather than wielded. It's unfortunate that Nine and Counting doesn't do a better job of showing us. But maybe we're only going to truly understand when we have more than 13 to count.

Kathy Zonana has a J.D. from Stanford Law School and is an inactive member of the State Bar of California. She is associate editor of Stanford magazine.

Editors' Note: For a Books-on-Law review of related interest, see Irene Stewart's review of Beth Reingold's Representing Women: Sex, Gender, and Legislative Behavior in Arizona and California.

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"Global" by Any Other Name
by Richard T. Ford

Global Critical Race Feminism: An International Reader
Adrien Katherine Wing, editor
New York, NY: New York University Press, 2000
Cloth: $70.00
Pp. 432
ISBN: 0814793371

Don't Judge a Book by Its Title

"Lovely waistcoat. Pity about the poetry," says William Shakespeare about his rival Christopher Marlowe in Tom Stoppard's Shakespeare in Love. One might let fly a similar, if inverted barb applicable to Global Critical Race Feminism, edited by Adrien Wing: "Lovely book. Pity about the title."

Global Critical Race Feminism is a strong collection of essays on an important set of topics. For scholars interested in issues of race, class, gender and/or postcolonialism, the volume is an excellent resource, full of insight, intellectual seriousness, and surprising ethnography. These essays were passionately and carefully written and thoughtfully collected. So, it is a pity that Wing (or the publishers) chose a title that is almost a cliché. If one went to the "Social Criticism" section of any good bookstore any time within the last ten years, entered every title into a computer and ran the results through a randomizing program, the first four words to pop out would probably be "global," "critical," "race," and "feminism." The potential reader, with limited time and limited funds, might assume that this volume is the academic press equivalent of a Greatest Hits of the 80s and 90s collection. Worse yet, the potential reader might mistake this volume for an identity-politics polemic targeted to a race- and gender-specific audience – women of color; all others need not apply.

That would be a pity. As a collection of pieces organized loosely around themes, the book is well organized and rewarding. Wing's introductory summary of the anthology and her organizing framework are sharp and helpful. The book is broken down into six parts dealing with: (Racial or Ethnic Minority) Responses to Feminism; Third World Within the First (This part deals with the problems faced by immigrant and postcolonial women.); Pathbreakers and Founding Mothers (A highlight here is a fascinating chapter on Josephine Baker's political activism); Human Rights and Cultural and Religious Difference; Violence Against Women; and Women in the Global Marketplace.

The essays in each section cohere thematically, and each section orbits around a more general set of themes in left social critique: identity, marginality, subordination and resistance, globalization and, of course, law. Someone who is interested in one theme of the book is likely to be interested in and usefully informed by at least several of the others. So, judged as a collection of essays on law, identity, women's studies, and globalization, Global Critical Race Feminism (GCRF) is an excellent and welcome contribution. Despite the name, GCRF comes off smelling sweet as roses.

Deconstructing the Word "Global"

And this is precisely why the name is such a pity. One should not judge a book by its cover, or its name. But a title does create a set of expectations, good and bad. And the title suggests a certain confidence in the portability of Western identity politics that the volume itself, thankfully, does not reflect. Wing spends a good part of her introduction defending the theoretical premise of a (Politics? Movement? Genre of scholarship?) called "Global Critical Race Feminism." She begins: "each word represents one of the primary legal traditions from which it derives – Critical Legal Studies, Critical Race Theory and feminist jurisprudence. The word 'global' added to the title of this collection implies the embrace of strands from international and comparative law, global feminism, and post-colonial theory as well."

If the idea here was a simple taxonomy of legal scholarship, one might complain that the essays contained in the volume are already reasonably well described by the genres that Wing tells us make up GCRF. For instance, nothing in the Critical Race Theory genre excludes feminist or international perspectives – indeed, some of the most important scholarship in the field is explicitly feminist – and racial discourse is a central theme in much post-colonial scholarship. To be sure, a distinction can be made between, say, Critical Race Theory that focuses on international issues and that which does not do so. But as a matter of describing a field of scholarly endeavor, it may not be useful to make it.

Still, more is at stake than simple taxonomy. The term "global," for instance, has ideological stakes. It is not synonymous with "transnational" or "international." Indeed, in some contexts (the context of the "global economy" or of "global feminism" to which Wing refers, for example) "global" has the opposite connotation of "international, the latter term insisting on context and the irreducibility of difference and the former implying a totalization or transcendence. When one speaks of the "global economy," one is incorporating by reference an argument against the idea that national economies are relatively autonomous of each other and only understood in national context. One is implicitly arguing for the idea of an integrated, single economy that, to some extent, transcends national differences, such that we can say something in general about the global economy that applies everywhere. Similarly, global feminism implies a commitment to the idea that gender identity is constructed by a global discourse and set of practices and, therefore, gender issues are to a significant extent the same everywhere. The idea of gender hierarchy underlying "global feminism" is total. Viewed through this lens, the practice of photographing wartime rapes in the former Yugoslavia is structurally (but not necessarily morally) identical to "Debbie Does Dallas;" both are pornography that functions to produce the female gender as a subordinate identity.

"Women of Color" As an Organizing Principle

The title GCRF implies that the identities of race and gender are global, that they mean the same thing regardless of national context. Wing is aware of these stakes when she asks "what about the validity of the term 'women of color' as an organizing principle? The concept goes beyond mere color or racial identification. What all these women may have in common is their potential political relationship – likely an oppositional one – to sexist, racist and imperialist structures."

But, despite the stylistic caveats and qualification, Wing needs this statement to be unequivocal. In order for the term "women of color" to go "beyond mere color or racial identification," it is insufficient that the people it describes may have something else in common – they must have something else in common. Yet, can anyone have an oppositional political relationship (just one, potential or actual) to racist, sexist, and imperialist structures (multiple – at least three)? Doesn't any one person have a host of relationships to a host of practices that they confront? And wouldn't a diverse group of people have a host of different relationships (some oppositional, some complicit, some ambivalent) to a multitude of practices that acquire mea